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	<title>Comments on: So Are Robots Stealing Our Jobs? And Is This a Bad Thing?</title>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
		<link>http://robotsftw.com/2009/08/so-are-robots-stealing-our-jobs/comment-page-1/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 00:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been saying, for a long time now, that with the technology we have today, and where it&#039;s going, will soon make human work obsolete. Though it&#039;s just a fictional animated feature Wall-E did a pretty good job of illustrating this trend - and how it affects our health, development and well being. While I agree with some of the points presented in the reason.tv video they didn&#039;t really substantiate their claims about the alleged new jobs that were being created from automation. They also didn&#039;t compare these newly created jobs with the rates of job loss, among other important factors, which may have been able to support their position - or contrary to it. There is no one, right, answer for these problems but most of us should know that the path we are currently on is the wrong one. Wealth is made up of elements of poverty and poverty is made up of elements of wealth. I do believe it is possible to change this to where the differences aren&#039;t as extreme between the small minority who controls the majority of wealth and the working class and poor who are the majority. Class war is fine as long as those at the bottom don&#039;t know about it and are so preoccupied with trying to survive that they don&#039;t have time to fight it. If you give them just enough they will be complacent with what little they have and not take action. You also need a large enough middle class to use as a buffer between those working class poor and their masters at the top. “There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.&quot; - Warren Buffett</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been saying, for a long time now, that with the technology we have today, and where it&#8217;s going, will soon make human work obsolete. Though it&#8217;s just a fictional animated feature Wall-E did a pretty good job of illustrating this trend &#8211; and how it affects our health, development and well being. While I agree with some of the points presented in the reason.tv video they didn&#8217;t really substantiate their claims about the alleged new jobs that were being created from automation. They also didn&#8217;t compare these newly created jobs with the rates of job loss, among other important factors, which may have been able to support their position &#8211; or contrary to it. There is no one, right, answer for these problems but most of us should know that the path we are currently on is the wrong one. Wealth is made up of elements of poverty and poverty is made up of elements of wealth. I do believe it is possible to change this to where the differences aren&#8217;t as extreme between the small minority who controls the majority of wealth and the working class and poor who are the majority. Class war is fine as long as those at the bottom don&#8217;t know about it and are so preoccupied with trying to survive that they don&#8217;t have time to fight it. If you give them just enough they will be complacent with what little they have and not take action. You also need a large enough middle class to use as a buffer between those working class poor and their masters at the top. “There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.&#8221; &#8211; Warren Buffett</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You said, &quot;Additionally, if off-shoring was the issue, than manufacturing in the USA should be going down. Yet we make more in the USA now than at any other time in our history. So why the fewer jobs?&quot;

This is completely accurate, the increase in reliable productivity due to automation means we are making more, but the fact is we could be making everything that we make and China makes and still not exhaust our available workforce. However, shareholders like to hear about profit per share, not about reinvestment and growth, the demand money NOW, not in 24-48 months. Privately owned companies could weather a large increase in capital expenditure by taking the long view, publically owned companies seem incapable of doing so. The end result of this is cutting costs while slowly introducing more automation, rather than focusing on increasing productivity while maintaining the workforce to grow. The problem is that people are ignorant, they would rather have cheap less reliable goods than goods that are made to a higher standard, Most people would rather pay 2k for a car that lasts them a year, than 10k for a car that lasts 7. This is interestingly paralleled in the way our politicians run the government heh. 

Letting China keep MFN (Most Favored Nation, granted to keep them less in the Soviet camp and now needing to be removed) status, and not using the power of tariffs properly has allowed foreign competition to dramatically undercut costs. If GM/GE/Admiral etc could produce goods cheaper here they would not have spent the last 30 years moving their lines overseas. 

We have reached (and some say passed) a tipping point where our ability to purchase goods is hampered by the lack of jobs. SE Michigan is a good example of this problem. We can hope that as standards of living improve in the third world they will in turn want higher end consumer items, but I fear that their local manufacturers will be able to undercut us. Especially since most governments use protective tariffs to encourage their own industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said, &#8220;Additionally, if off-shoring was the issue, than manufacturing in the USA should be going down. Yet we make more in the USA now than at any other time in our history. So why the fewer jobs?&#8221;</p>
<p>This is completely accurate, the increase in reliable productivity due to automation means we are making more, but the fact is we could be making everything that we make and China makes and still not exhaust our available workforce. However, shareholders like to hear about profit per share, not about reinvestment and growth, the demand money NOW, not in 24-48 months. Privately owned companies could weather a large increase in capital expenditure by taking the long view, publically owned companies seem incapable of doing so. The end result of this is cutting costs while slowly introducing more automation, rather than focusing on increasing productivity while maintaining the workforce to grow. The problem is that people are ignorant, they would rather have cheap less reliable goods than goods that are made to a higher standard, Most people would rather pay 2k for a car that lasts them a year, than 10k for a car that lasts 7. This is interestingly paralleled in the way our politicians run the government heh. </p>
<p>Letting China keep MFN (Most Favored Nation, granted to keep them less in the Soviet camp and now needing to be removed) status, and not using the power of tariffs properly has allowed foreign competition to dramatically undercut costs. If GM/GE/Admiral etc could produce goods cheaper here they would not have spent the last 30 years moving their lines overseas. </p>
<p>We have reached (and some say passed) a tipping point where our ability to purchase goods is hampered by the lack of jobs. SE Michigan is a good example of this problem. We can hope that as standards of living improve in the third world they will in turn want higher end consumer items, but I fear that their local manufacturers will be able to undercut us. Especially since most governments use protective tariffs to encourage their own industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://robotsftw.com/2009/08/so-are-robots-stealing-our-jobs/comment-page-1/#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except those people I mentioned were not theoretical - it has actually happened. That is because money isn&#039;t the only reason. Robots are not only cheaper than any person over the long-term, but they have 100% accuracy. Quality rises when  a robot is turning a screw 1,000 times a day rather than a person. So this means less  legacy costs, in addition to the costs of paying a person and giving them benefits, no matter how cheap. 

Additionally, if off-shoring was the issue, than manufacturing in the USA should be going down. Yet we make more in the USA now than at any other time in our history. So why the fewer jobs? 

I firmly believe this is because of robots. A single position across every factory in America was eliminated by 75% by a single robot. Multiply this by other positions that robots have no doubt eliminated and the real problem of continually underemployed, unskilled labor is put into perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except those people I mentioned were not theoretical &#8211; it has actually happened. That is because money isn&#8217;t the only reason. Robots are not only cheaper than any person over the long-term, but they have 100% accuracy. Quality rises when  a robot is turning a screw 1,000 times a day rather than a person. So this means less  legacy costs, in addition to the costs of paying a person and giving them benefits, no matter how cheap. </p>
<p>Additionally, if off-shoring was the issue, than manufacturing in the USA should be going down. Yet we make more in the USA now than at any other time in our history. So why the fewer jobs? </p>
<p>I firmly believe this is because of robots. A single position across every factory in America was eliminated by 75% by a single robot. Multiply this by other positions that robots have no doubt eliminated and the real problem of continually underemployed, unskilled labor is put into perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny enough, in the dawn of time (1988) I won what used to be a notable writing award &quot;Jack Hamady&quot; award for the people from Michigan) predicting that if we wanted to have jobs in Flint in 30 years we should start producing robots, not cars, and the then GMI (now Kettering) should work on developing robotic engineering specialties. Neither happened.

Honestly though, off shoring is a more serious issue than robotics at this point, those 16 people you mentioned can be had for 10 years for less than the cost of a robot in much of the world.  GE recently announced the creation of 1k jobs in the US and spoke of a commitment to keep the US a manufacturing power, but I fear it is too little, too late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny enough, in the dawn of time (1988) I won what used to be a notable writing award &#8220;Jack Hamady&#8221; award for the people from Michigan) predicting that if we wanted to have jobs in Flint in 30 years we should start producing robots, not cars, and the then GMI (now Kettering) should work on developing robotic engineering specialties. Neither happened.</p>
<p>Honestly though, off shoring is a more serious issue than robotics at this point, those 16 people you mentioned can be had for 10 years for less than the cost of a robot in much of the world.  GE recently announced the creation of 1k jobs in the US and spoke of a commitment to keep the US a manufacturing power, but I fear it is too little, too late.</p>
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